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« am: 22. Februar 2004, 16:14:24 »
The Frigate Constitution

Titel: The Frigate Constitution and Other Historic Ships
Autor: F. Alexander Magoun
Verlag: Dover Publications, Inc.
Art des Buches: Dokumentation
Umfang:  156 Seiten, 108 Bilder s/w, 16 Schiffspläne, sowie einzelnen Skizzen
Ausgabejahr:  1. Auflage 1928, Wiederauflage 1987
Sprache: Englisch
ISBN: 0-486-25524-7
Preis: ab 12 Euro (Amazon),  14 €  (Internetbuchhandel), 11 € beim örtlichen Buchhändler





Inhaltshauptverzeichnis

  • The Viking Ship
  • The „Santa Maria“
  • The „Mayflower“
  • United States Frigate „Constitution“
  • Clipper Ship „Flying Cloud“
  • Fishing Schooner „Bluenose“
  • Chronological Table
  • Index



Liste der Schiffspläne

"Viking Ship"
  • Profile and Lines
"Santa Maria"
  •  Lines
  •  Sail Planes
  •  Deck Plan and Furniture
"Mayflower"
  •  Lines
  •  Sail Planes
  •  Deck Plan and Sections
"USS Constitution"
  •  Lines
  •  Sail Planes
  •  Deck Plan and Sections
"Flying Cloud"
  •  Lines
  •  Sail Planes
  •  Inboard Profile and Deck Plan
"Bluenose"
  •  Lines
  •  Sail Planes
  •  Deck Plan and Sections
Beschreibung des Covers, frei von mir übersetzt:

Der Köder und die Romanze des Meeres durchdringen diesen in hohem Grade lesbaren Seeklassiker, der für sein technisches Detail und auf Tatsachen beruhenden Daten berühmt ist.
Früher durch einen bemerkenswerten Marinehistoriker am M.I.T. geschrieben, konzentrierte sich die Arbeit auf berühmte Schiffe, die eine kritische Rolle in der amerikanischen Geschichte spielten.
Zusätzlich zur Fregatte „USS Constitution“ gibt es umfassende Themen über die Wikinger Schiffe, wobei besonders das Gokstad Schiff,  aber ebenso Columbus' „Santa Maria“, die „Mayflower“, der Klipper „Flying Cloud“ und der Schooner „Bluenose“ behandelt werden.

Für jedes Schiff stellt der Autor die vollständigen, sorgfältig erforschten Details über seine Segelpläne und Plattformpläne, unterteilt in eine Fülle von Daten bezüglich der Maße, Versetzung, Entwurf, Segel, Kriegsausrüstung, Rumpf und Rumpfbefestigungen, Gut und Takelung, Anker, Steuer und viele andere Eigenschaften, zur Verfügung.
Zudem befinden sich in dem Buch Tabellen der genauen Maße, 16 Doppelseiten der Schiffspläne und umfassend 100 Diagramme, Fotos, Anstriche und Stiche, die es dem  Erbauer von originalgetreuen Modellen ermöglichen, ihre eigenen authentischen, genauen Modelle zu fertigen.

In dem Buch befinden sich zudem umfassende Zusammenfassungen der Geschichte eines jedes einzelnen Schiffs ein, belebt  mit Anekdoten und häufig, direkten Anführungsstrichen von den Schiffs Logbüchern von Mannschaftsmitgliedern oder Passagieren.
Diese geben dem Text einen wundervollen Zeitgenössischen Hauch von Nostalgie.

Sie sind dabei, während Columbus eine Meuterei an Bord der „Santa Maria“ abwendet, als seine  Mannschaft unter Angst und Schrecken kehrt machen möchte.
Sie teilen die undichten, überfüllten Kabinen der „Mayflower“, während das tapfere brave Pilgerschiff  dem stürmischen Nordatlantik strotzt.
Sie sind Zeuge während des Krieges von 1812, an Bord der  Fregatte „USS Constitutuion“, wie bei einem Gefechtsmanöver die Britische „Men of War“ überlistet wird.

Eine lange nicht erreichte Studie über die Verbände der wichtigsten Segelschiffe der Geschichte. Die besonders dem Enthusiasten aber auch interessiertem Marinearchitekten, dem Marinehistoriker, dem Wochenendseeman,  dem Sesselabenteurer oder einfach nur für jedermann, der beim Anblick eines Segelschiffs das mit vollen Segeln vor dem Wind auf dem Meer dahingleitet, zu schwärmen beginnt.


Persönliches Fazit:

Ein beachtliches Buch!  Dessen Hauptaugenmerk bei der "Constitution" liegt, was auch ein Grund für mich war das Buch zu bestellen.
Trotzallem ist das Buch für all diejenigen interessant, die der englischen Sprache ein wenig mächtig sind und sich für Schiffsmodelle sowie der Marinegeschichte erwärmen können.

Negativ: Schade das es die Schiffspläne nicht als Faltbare Seiten gibt, was aber im Grunde nicht so schlimm ist.

Positiv: Immer noch Top aktuell, riesige Fülle an Informationen und Plänen und Zeichnungen.



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« Antwort #1 am: 22. Februar 2004, 17:05:20 »
Hmm, 12 Euro ist ja nicht gerade soo viel...
...soll ich, soll ich nicht...

@manmouse
wie bist Du denn ausgerechnet auf den "alten Schinken" ;)
gestoßen? Gibt es keine umfangreicheren aktuellere Bücher?
Oder hast Du den auf "gut Glück" bestellt?

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« Antwort #2 am: 22. Februar 2004, 17:25:04 »
Nachdem die offizielle Seite der Constitution überhaupt ned ging bei mir ( :5: ),  hab ich ein wenig gegoogelt und dann auf gut Glück bei meinem Dealer des Vertrauens bestellt. Mir ging es in erster Linie ja um die Constitution, und dort liegt auch das Hauptmerk des Buches, wobei das andere eine tolle Zugabe ist.

Bin froh, denn dank der Schlachten, Geschichte, und den Plänen sowie dem Wiederaufbau etc., hat es sich wie gesagt gelohnt für mich. Hab es aber auch erst gesehen, als ich es in den Händen hielt, die Bestellung hätte auch ins Auge gehen können. :D
Zudem besitze aber außer dem Mondfeld noch keine Schiffsbücher, und wenn hätte ich es aber wohl auch dann geholt. Hab mich da ein wenig auf die Amazon Kundenrezension verlassen müssen.

Für 11-12 € kann man nix falsch machen denke ich. Und der "Schinken" wirkt trotz des "alters" erstaunlich frisch :)

P.S. So langsam komme ich auf den Geschmack ;)

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« Antwort #3 am: 24. Februar 2004, 21:28:12 »
Hi manmouse,

bin im Forum von FineScale Modeler (keine Panik ;)  ) über folgendes Posting gestolpert welches Dich evtl interessiert...

Zitat
Constitution Colors- A Ray Morton Study
Date: 1999/03/22 18:41
From: "Clayton A. Feldman, MD"
Well, Listees- this is your lucky day if you're interested in "Old
Ironsides". Here's some data from our Constitution guru, Ray Morton, on her
paint colors.
Clay
Clayton A. Feldman MD
List Owner/ Manager
From: Ray Morton
Subject: *Constitution-s* Colors
The question often arises, *How was **Constitution** painted?* The
answers seem to be varied and they seldom seem to match primary
documentation. Here is what is known at this writing to me to be the
best color information for *Constitution* for only some of her
configurations and time periods:
In her early years, *Constitution* was always tarred below the four gun
strakes, probably until the 1906 overhaul. As-built in 1797 through
1811, she had yellow ochre (50:50 with white lead -- still a
brownish-yellow but not as dull) gun strakes, gun tompions, gallery
trim, bowsprit, and lower masts as well as two pin stripes leading aft
along the hull from the head rails. The stern had a lampblack ground
with white lead, vermilion, medium-light blue, and light yellow ochre
trim. The ship-s name is not on the stern in 1812 (see Captain Hull-s
model of September 1812 at the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem,
Massachusetts). The weather rails were lampblack for all periods. ONLY
the four one-inch recessed gun strakes received the contrasting color --
NEVER a broad band of color that I have ever been able to document. The
gun strakes were white lead from 1811 through 1815 off and on with
yellow ochre (to include a change in the color of the quarter gallery
trim and, likely, the gun tompions) and were yellow ochre again from
1815 until the 1817 overhaul when the US Navy was changing to uniform
white lead gun strakes in almost all its ships, to include white lead
inner bulwarks and waterways from about 1817 as well.
>From July 1844 through 14 May 1845, *Constitution* had a white lead hull
with vermilion gun strakes. In May 1845, she was repainted the white on
black color scheme. Her configuraton at that time was very close to the
*Brandywine* first class frigates, especially her bow treatment.
The gun port lids were always lampblack on all six surfaces (an
exception might have been the vermilion gun strake period, though I
doubt it). The gun deck gun port lids were NOT hinged until about the
American Civil War but, prior to that time, were completely removed and
sent below when exercising the gun deck guns -- no gun port lids were
provided in the spar deck, ever. The gun deck gun port lids were split
in half horizontally in 1804 but were still NOT hinged, with some minor
exceptions to this up forward.
The Bowsprit and lower masts were woolded until 1809 and the woolding
was lampblack (rigging tarred). Until 1809 the fighting tops and the
doublings were lampblack. ALL of the yards were blackened (coal
tarred), just like the bends -- to include the yard arms -- as well as
the lower studding-sail booms, spanker boom, and gaff. After 1809, the
fighting tops (except for their railings and stanchions) and the
doublings were white lead. There was NO white at the mast heads/trucks.
The upper masts were left bright (actually oiled) so that their
remaining strength could be determined from their color. Since upper
masts were replaced often, they would each be a different color from
each of the other upper mast spars. The same is true for the jib boom
and the flying jib boom. Until 1809, *Constitution* had a single
lampblack martingale -- and a white lead double dolphin striker after
1809. The doublings for the jib spars were lampblack until 1809 when
they were painted white lead. The sails were also replaced and patched,
as was the rigging, and none of these items would have been an overall
same color nor exactly match any of their sister components.
The rigging included hemp, hide, and flax cordage (plus horsehair in the
limber) and was one-stranded through six-stranded, plus the
nine-stranded cables and hawsers. Both left-handed and right-handed
rope was used as well as water-laid and plain-laid. Some ropes were
reverse-laid and others were slack-laid -- at least one case combines
both slack/reverse-laid. I know that this opens many rigging questions
but the answers would be about 700 to 1000 pages long with a few hundred
drawings. *Constitution* followed Brady-s *Kedge Anchor*, AMERICAN
rigging practice, and NOT Lever, Steele, Biddlecomb, Lees, Lavry, et
al., which describe BRITISH rigging practice.
The decks exposed to the weather would have been grayed to a depth much
beyond just surface discoloration -- holy stoning would NOT normally
have removed enough wood to make the decks *white*. The idea of holy
stoning was to remove only the dirt and rigging tar from the deck -- not
the wood. The gun and spar decks were longleaf yellow pine, except
under the guns where they were white oak. The two woods weather in
color differently. The tarring of the deck paying was most likely dark
chocolate brown and NOT black.
After 1809, the upper studding-sail booms were lampblack (probably
tar-blackened) from the tip of the yard arm outboard, when housed, and
from the tip of the yardarm inboard, when extended. The in-between
portion was white lead. Prior to 1809, the upper studding-sail booms
appear to have been completely blackened. The spanker boom was white
lead outboard the taffrail and black inboard after 1809 and all black
before 1809 -- the gaff was always black. After about 1809, a mizzen
trysail (or snow) mast was installed, which was white lead.
Gun carriages were *terra cotta* (the brownish boxcar red) except for
1804-1809 when the carriages were *yellow the color of butter* with
lampblack gun tubes, iron fittings, and trucks. After 1845, or so, many
of the gun carriages were lampblack and all were most likely lampblack
upon entering the American Civil War era and afterwards.
Of the 500+ individual guns that have been in *Constitution*, of
fifty-one different types, they were all smooth to the touch except for
one type, which I have yet to see modeled. They had a modified varnish
coating that produced a satin-gloss (satin for a model) that was
pigmented with lampblack. The guns were normally given a fresh water
wash each morning and then rubbed down with an oily rag. Tompions
normally matched the gun strake color and were not embellished with
gawdy stars, etc. *Constitution* was, and is, a warship -- NOT a circus
float...!
The spar deck inner bulkhead (only a quarter deck and forecastle with an
open waist until about 1804 or 1809 -- no spar deck, per se, until that
time) arguably was vermilion as well as the waterway (a red-orange
scarlet color, just like the British used -- but NEVER a *red*) as the
gun sills are known to have been vermilion from 1797-1804. 1804-1809
the sills appear to have been lampblack from then on and the inner
bulkhead and waterway butter-yellow. After 1809, the inner bulkhead and
waterway were dark green (about that of Humbrol #149, which needs to be
scaled and weathered) still retaining the lampblack gun port sills.
After 1817, the inner bulkhead and waterway were, most likely, white
lead with lampblack gun port sills.
Deck furniture was likely white lead, with bright pin rails, as-built --
and butter-yellow or dark green to match the changes in the inner
bulwark-s color changes between 1804 and 1817. I have not yet
determined the deck furniture color after the 1817 overhaul from primary
documentation. Belaying pins were iron and, if painted, would likely
have been hot coal tarred.
Ship-s small boats were overall white lead externally, except they were
lampblack between about 1835 and 1845. The black paint did not work
well at all on the ship-s small boats and was replaced with white lead
about 1845 throughout the US Navy. The white boats typically had a
single distinguishing color on the sheer strake. Ship-s small boat
painting is, indeed, a very large subject area by itself.
A good color approximation of the red and the blue in the wool ensigns,
pennants, and flags for *Constitution* is: Humbrol #153 with a slight
amount of Humbrol #73 *wine* added for the *Madder Root Red* and Humbrol
#104 made a little lighter (with a touch of Humbrol #34 *white*) and a
bit grayer for the *Indigo Blue* -- until about World War One when
bright synthetic dyestuffs started being used in US Navy flags. The
white in flags was undyed white wool -- an off-white color (a touch of
Humbrol #71 *linen* in Humbrol #34 seems to work well). Other flag
colors and flags for *Constitution* are much larger subjects.
Try to avoid using straight black and straight white in a model -- they
are too stark for scale work and render a toy-like appearance. Use a
very dark gray and an off-white (antique white), respectively.
Don-t use the present real *Constitution* to determine the
configuration, or painting, of the historic *Constitution* for ANY
historic period, except 1932, 1960, 1976, or 1996, if then. Presently,
the real *Constitution* is NOT in a War of 1812 configuration as federal
law mandates -- she-s slowly on her way towards such a configuration,
assuming she quits stumbling over the non-1812 fantasized overhaul
configuration of 1932.
If anyone has information contrary to what has been presented here from
PRIMARY documentation (official US Navy documents, journal entries of
*Constitution* crew members only writing about what was occurring that
day, etc. -- but NOT ANYTHING from the 160+ books on *Constitution* as I
have read and own ALL of them and they are mostly incorrect on the
technical issues and all of them seem to quote the same erroneous 1817
British author without the benefit of research or checking of facts), I
would appreciate the EXACT CITATION of such contrary information down to
the page number and library/archive/museum call number, address, and
phone number.
I am in the process of finishing several books on the Age of Sail,
mostly about *Constitution*. The incomplete and brief information
presented here is extracted from those books and is copyrighted by me.
This information will be expanded somewhat in my upcoming three-part
article on *Building a Better Model of Constitution* for the Nautical
Research Journal starting with the Fall-or-Winter 1999 issue. I am
giving permission to Dr. Clay Feldman that this information can be
posted on the Ships-in-Scale web site for personal use only.
Regards,
Ray Morton


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« Antwort #4 am: 24. Februar 2004, 23:42:27 »
Holy Shit ... 8o

War jede Suche umsonst? Soll ich alles was ich bisher in Erfahrung bringen konnte, über die Reling kippen? Reiß ich jetzt alles wieder runter? Und fange neu an? Kann ich noch etwas abwandeln?  :rolleyes: :5:

Ach, jetzt wünsche ich mir mal wieder eine Zeitreisemaschine herbei!
Na ich werd mal etwas drüber schlafen, nochmal das Zitat lesen, und noch mal schlafen, nochmal in Büchern blättern, wieder schlafen, und irgendwann habe ich mich hoffentlich entschieden.

Zum Teufel mit den Experten :evil:

Ich danke dir Herzlich für das Zitat, und das du an mich gedacht hast! :P


Mojen Wind,

Thomas  :winken: